I know my detractors wished an opposite result, but hey God is Great and took my side.
Below are the explanations of what really happened and the rest of Helen's text, that was not answered are distorted/twisted/invented facts by Helen, with the sole purpose of to trash-talk me, in order that I would not be able to train with the group or cast-away...which can later translate to unsuccessful race.
The following extracts are some of Helen Fong's belittling of my ability:-
> Ingrid was a person who did a lot of talk about herself but no one saw any backing to her talk. They saw quite the contrary in her abilities but they were not trying to belittle her for her lack of abilities but were frustrated that she had the never to belittle them....
> She is a stuck up....
> If Ingrid had acted more realistic to what her level in cycling was at the time rather than act as though she was better than everyone, the members may have reacted differently to her. And, for her to tell them what to do as if she is an expert on things turned a lot of people off....
My Text Are in BLUE
Helen Fong - why would I be jealous of you ? What do you have that I dont have ? Have you not ask anyone who would they choose in the event that they have to choose you or me, when it comes to endurance ?
Helen Fong - I have a job. I travelled the world. USA is the 6th that I settled. I was successful in my own right. I dont have student loans... Personally, I am way better than you.
If you may recall Helen, I only ran with you once, at a speed run organized by Bill Clements (who is now my ex-companion). You asked me one time, how did I feel and I said to you " I cant really talk right now because I am struggling to breathe and keep up with the rest".
I am down-to-earth athlete and I meant what I said, but your mistake was, you underestimated my ability. It doesn't mean that I am new to running that I knew nothing.
So for one time that I attended an event that you were there, you already invented stories about me. People do talk!
For most of the time I have known Ingrid, I have gotten the feeling she is threatened by me. I get the feeling that she is very insecure so she acts the way she does. I can see that because she is insecure about things, she probably has a way of getting false impressions about things. I can understand where Ingrid may feel I have conspired against her which is why I knew she would most likely blame me for what happened with FTR. WAV is connected with me. Joanne is connected to me. Craig is connected to me. And, FTR is connected to me. So, I can see why she would think I had something to do with all the "wrong" that has occurred to her.
But, I'll break it down to you and maybe you and Ingrid can understand how she has gotten a false impressions of things. . . .
But, I'll break it down to you and maybe you and Ingrid can understand how she has gotten a false impressions of things. . . .
I was a WAV member already before you even purchased WAV. I was riding with the group before you took over.
I emailed asking if you were interested in joining fund raising with me, but you twisted the word "boyfriend Bill". Am I not allowed to use "boyfriend Bill"? I know several Bill in my circle of friends alone. It is such a common name. In FTR alone, there are few who's name is "Bill".
And I openly making out? Are you sure of that Helen? See this is what puzzled me because not one occasion that I make out with Bill in the public eye. I dont even feel comfortable holding hands, let alone making out. If you saw Bill kissed me goodbye - that is not openly making out. And just by your statement alone, its enough that you were jealous of me.
Let me correct that fact that you did not add me to WAV group, as I have already informed you.. I was a member of WAV way before you even purchased the WAV group. I had a photo that would prove that I was a WAV group member way before you.
You suggested that I join Facebook WAV, to which I willingly accepted.
Who said that I suspected jealousy had something to do with your declining my invite ? It was in May 2012 that I cleared the air with Bill. I asked Bill, "why's that Helen acted strange or disliking my presence"? I asked Bill further " have you dated Helen in the past?".
Bill responded "No - but she invited me to have dinner with her and she offered to give me a ride in one-way run".
I may be a little naive in the beginning with the runners shenanigans Helen Fong, but I was not born yesterday. From what Bill shared with me, it was the primary reason why you hated me. You hated me Helen, because Bill doesn't like you more than you like him. You wanted more from Bill but Bill has not responded in a manner than you want it to be. You hated me because Bill was seeing me.
I am sorry Helen but it was you who has gotten a false impression, as a result of your uncontrolled jealousy towards me!
With WAV, I tried to welcome her into the group. She threw in an email how you were "boyfriend bill" though I already knew you guys were a couple having seen you two openly making out after one of our speed workouts. She says I acted differently towards her after that email. After the email, we became facebook friends and I had added her to the WAV facebook group. She had asked me if I had wanted to participate in some sort of charity ride with her. I declined telling her I had already committed to another charity ride (the AIDS ride) as well as other cycling events so did not really have time to train for another event (I was set to get my California Triple Crown, ride three double centuries, the AIDs Ride, and the Death Ride). Declining to do the event with her had nothing to do with you, or any jealousy. I did add her to the WAV group page to help her find people who might be interested. And, from what I remember, there was a girl who was interested and I thought messages had been exchanged between Ingrid and the other member. I don't know if they ever rode together or what.
Your statement below just show how you twisted the facts. I never joined WAV rides (except one time hosted by Ibarra). When you purchased WAV group, I was already concentrating on scaling major mountains, in order to better my endurance. That's a known fact!
With WAV, it is a group I just happened to be handed to lead some time ago. I took it when it was nearly dying and have helped it grow. But, as you know, I am more of a runner than a cyclist. Like Diane with FTR, I generally do not need to do too much with WAV. It runs itself through my assistant organizers. Ingrid never attended any of the meetups I led and I don't think I had any personal interaction with her when she was in WAV. Not that I was avoiding her or ignoring her, I was just doing other things.
I dont recall I had caused issues with my first ride with WAV. The text from the event organizer of the ride you were talking about stated:
"just show up at the event as there may be cancellation".
"just show up at the event as there may be cancellation".
So really Helen, you jumped at every stories you could twist so you can destroy. You even pointed the rides I listed and the intro I wrote on the WAV profile.
Yes I rode bikes since I was a kid. It shows on my performance. It took me only two weeks of road cycling to survived the Auburn century. That is 2 weeks Helen! Performance proved that I still have the cycling muscle memory.
Yes I rode bikes since I was a kid. It shows on my performance. It took me only two weeks of road cycling to survived the Auburn century. That is 2 weeks Helen! Performance proved that I still have the cycling muscle memory.
Because your best friend Joanne, had to save face, that I finished the Auburn century and Joanne had not done any century, both of you went on to ride a century. But there is a big difference Helen, the century I rode was Auburn century. It had over 12000 ft of climbing. If comparing to the century that Joanne did, Joanne rode a century in a relatively flat terrain, with hardly any climbing (my 12,000 ft vs 5000 ft of Joanne's climbing).
If you both wanted to save your face, you could have done the Auburn century, the same route that I did.... but Joanne couldn't and Joanne ability is inadequate for such endurance, because the ride you did were of no caliber than what I did. How many years did Joanne kept riding road bikes and still could not do a century ?
Again, because of what my endurance have shown to some of the competitive athletes, particularly to your circle, you hated me for that.
For the first ride that Ingrid attended with WAV, Ingrid had caused issues with the organizer of the ride prior to the ride. I was not at the ride but I have heard accounts of what happened. Before the ride, there were emails between Ingrid and the ride leader. The ride was a 50 mile hill ride. This was part of a hill ride series and they were quite popular with the WAV members at the time. The rides did have a cap on how many people could go. That was the ride leader's preference as she has a hard time when the group gets too large. I know Ingrid wanted to go on the ride but the ride had been capped and RSVP's closed and I think she was on the waitlist. Ingrid was told why the ride is capped. The rider leader had emailed another member in the same way she emailed Ingrid in that she was just making sure their skill level is up to par as it is 50 miles with hills. For the safety of everyone, she did not want someone to come and be in over their head. Some people just don't pay attention and this was 50 miles with hills so she contacted those that she did not know and wrote an emailing explaining her reasons and help direct them to other rides. For one girl she contacted, she replied thanking the ride leader and explained her skill level and opted to try a different ride that was recommended. With Ingrid, an email exchange occurred. Ingrid had said she'd been "cycling since she was a kid," listed a couple random MTB events, commented on how there aren't any cyclists around here that do long, hardcore, or altitude rides. She brought up how she is a mountaineer and she'd rather be doing that but since she can't, she has no choice but to ride. The email exchange had rubbed the ride leader the wrong way and Ingrid came off as very arrogant and it sounded like Ingrid would prefer do more "hardcore things" than to ride with us but had no choice but to do so.
I came late ? I am sorry it was your event organizer that was there late. I already left because the ride leader was not around and she's the only one I know. And then accused me of late ?
I came late ? I am sorry it was your event organizer that was there late. I already left because the ride leader was not around and she's the only one I know. And then accused me of late ?
I brought a mountain bike, no doubt about that, but it doesn't mean that my mountain bike could not keep up with the road bikes. I took my mountain bike seen by a mechanic before I even drove to the meetup place.
If my bike's chain dislodged, that is beyond my control.
Because my bike's chain dislodged, your group invented stories "that I was late etc and couldnt ride a bike". That tells something about your motive!
The following day, Ingrid showed up to the ride with a flat pedal, mountain bike. And, late. The girls were just about ready to roll out is what I was told. I was not there. I was out running in Auburn that day. From what I have gathered, the ride leader talked to Ingrid and even though Ingrid was not on the attendance list, she gave her a route sheet and let her join. Though, she was a little concerned about Ingrid's ability to do the ride and Ingrid maybe saw that concern as her being stuck up or something. But, I think I was told they were surprised she showed up, when she wasn't on the attendance list, and on a MTB with flat pedals for a non-beginner road bike ride. The girls rolled out and in just a few miles, Ingrid had fallen behind the pack. Unfortunately, because she was not even close to riding at the pace posted, she got dropped. I think they didn't just abandon her but had talked to her about how she is not able to keep up with the group and asked if she think she'd be okay.
The following day, Ingrid showed up to the ride with a flat pedal, mountain bike. And, late. The girls were just about ready to roll out is what I was told. I was not there. I was out running in Auburn that day. From what I have gathered, the ride leader talked to Ingrid and even though Ingrid was not on the attendance list, she gave her a route sheet and let her join. Though, she was a little concerned about Ingrid's ability to do the ride and Ingrid maybe saw that concern as her being stuck up or something. But, I think I was told they were surprised she showed up, when she wasn't on the attendance list, and on a MTB with flat pedals for a non-beginner road bike ride. The girls rolled out and in just a few miles, Ingrid had fallen behind the pack. Unfortunately, because she was not even close to riding at the pace posted, she got dropped. I think they didn't just abandon her but had talked to her about how she is not able to keep up with the group and asked if she think she'd be okay.
I post some negative comments ? You know Helen, just show proof. There is a web app called "snipping tool", you could have used it to document your case, after all you are an attorney by profession.
You wouldn't use snipping tool right, because you like "he said/she said" and twist the stories...because after all, you know more athletes than I do and prefer the "trash-talk" way to better yourself.
Yes you know more athletes than I do because I get myself busy with work and other business on the side, so I can pay my bills.
You Helen Fong, on the other hand, would rather use the dirty antic you are used to, like a typical stereotype attorney. Helen Fong, instead of finding way to pay off your student loan and debts, you would rather do dirty antics to get what you want. So at age 30+++ something, you are still in debt, no house of your own and have to find a guy to house you..... Good one Helen Fong - way to uplift your image (not)!
After my run that day, I was informed about everything. I saw Ingrid post about her ride and make some negative comments about the members or ride leader. I felt bad that Ingrid got dropped on the ride but I also thought it was good for her as a humbling experience. I thought it would was good that after she did all her bragging, she got humbled by better riders. I figured whatever issues arose during that ride would have passed. But, I don't think Ingrid left a very good first impression with the WAV members.
I RSVPed few of Joanne's beginner rides ? I am sorry of your distorted interpretation but I did not just RSVP because its beginners. When I RSVP, I check the time and day and if it suits my schedule, I will RSVP.
I didn't show up ? Once again the liar of you, is so good to invent facts. I had the RSVP in my calendar reminder, but on the day that the event took place, Joanne changed it without notifying me "on purpose". Yes this selective notification can be done in meetup.com
Both of you tried to fool the cyclist but you can't fool me - I am an organizer myself of other groups that does way hard and stronger events.
It was at that manipulation of RSVP that I sensed that you both are playing games. And that's when I asked Bill about you.
This is what Bill responded to me. I dont care about Helen. Bill even further said " Helen is fucked ugly I couldn't even stand next to her". It was me who tried to question Bill - why he said that because Bill has shown good treatment to you outside but speak so negatively infront of me, about you.
Bill Clements even further told me " please dont bring up Helen....that horsy bitch"... And I asked Bill what's horsy mean. Bill responsed that you Helen got a horse kind of lips" As per Bill " have you checked Helen's picture, look at her photos - she looked like a horse"... this is how Bill described you in front of me.
I've seen text messages in Bill's phone - how Mitch and Kevin described your looks...
After reading that exchanged of text messages from Mitch, Kevin and Bill (on Bill's phone), I distanced myself...who knows how the trio trashed talk and who else had they been trashed-talk, and who else from FTR, HW and bunch of group trash-talk. Its not my kind of thing!
After that day, Ingrid had RSVP'd to a few of Joanne's beginner evening rides. However, Ingrid no-showed to all of them. I believe one time was Ingrid getting the day confused. But, Joanne did not like all the no-shows and her impression of Ingrid did not improve. Ingrid had asked to change the time of a meetup and this annoyed Joanne since Ingrid was somehow she just didn't show up at meetups, why should she change the time for her.
Just reading your statement below Helen, it is clear that you were very envious of me. Why ? Because I can do mountaineering and you can't?
On facebook, Ingrid came off very arrogant about things. She constantly boasted about her mountaineering experiences and how she is a better athlete than the rest of us because she is a mountaineer. And, great for what she has accomplished on the mountaineering side but in a cycling group, most really are not interested in hearing about mountaineering. There were numerous comments on the facebook group that rubbed people the wrong way. I believe a couple of her comments were deleted trying to keep the discussion focused on running, not mountaineering. After a bit, some members wanted her removed from WAV. Some members got fed up with her comments. Joanne thought Ingrid should be removed just on the no-showing alone (but we hadn't established our no show policy yet). Because she was your boyfriend, and you my friend, I didn't. But, it was awkward. I don't remember seeing too much of Ingrid during this time period but it is possible that I did start acting differently towards her then. And again, it did not have to do with you or jealousy. It had to do with the fact that she has become a source of tension in my WAV group. A group that was generally just a happy group of women who really support and encourage each other. Ingrid came off as not supportive nor encouraging, belittling others accomplishments or skills. I recall one post of her telling one member how her problem is she lacks fitness and she needs to go run on training hill. The member said she was not interested in running/hiking up in Auburn and Ingrid seemed a bit critical. That thread did not go well with many members.
Again your statement below, established enough that you were jealous of me, particularly of my endurance accomplishments. You hated the fact that I can run faster than you and now good in cycling?
Ingrid was a person who did a lot of talk about herself but no one saw any backing to her talk. They saw quite the contrary in her abilities but they were not trying to belittle her for her lack of abilities but were frustrated that she had the never to belittle them. If Ingrid had acted more realistic to what her level in cycling was at the time rather than act as though she was better than everyone, the members may have reacted differently to her. And, for her to tell them what to do as if she is an expert on things turned a lot of people off. I know not too long after that there was another thread that Joanne started and Ingrid had written some mountaineering bragging comments again and Joanne removed Ingrid from the facebook page. Ingrid left the meetup group after that. I did feel bad about it and I probably should have said something to Ingrid as to why it happened. But, I figured it could just be and things could just settle back down in WAV.
After that, I have seen Ingrid call Joanne a "B" and other negative things. And, I saw a bit later
I have issues with WeTri - really Helen ?
WeTri organizer emailed and suggested that I can be an assistant organizer. I declined this offer because its typical with my work schedule that meetings can be called the last minute, with only an hour to prepare. It was safe for me to decide not to be an assistant organizer for that reason.
Therefore, by you stating that I had issues with WeTri, huh Helen, dont you think its clear that you dont like my presence in the group ? Is it because you dont have a chance to "shine" ?
That's the hard reality of you and Joanne, you did all the manipulation, because you are afraid that I might shine and overshadow your success?
Ingrid write a really negative post about my WAV group and the WeTri group, WeTri isn't really a group I am part of but there are many members in WAV that are part of WeTri. One of my assistant organizers had created that group. I have no idea what may have happened with Ingrid and WeTri. I have heard there were issues there. I have heard that the main organizer had talked to Ingrid about her comments or something. I don't know. That could all be rumors. I just know that after that, she said negative things about WAV and WeTri and referrred to women cyclists as "whinnies."
Helen Fong and Joanne, without directly telling me, commented on my cycling....that I dont know how to stay within pace and that I am a dangerous rider.
Please note readers : Helen Fong and Joanne Liu both have bad cycling accidents. And if anyone should thought about stupid and worse rider, these two tops the list.
The cycling accidents happened in the most safest environment. Helen Fong fell in a flat terrain, unable to control her bike when she could have just unclipped herself. Joanne Liu fell by riding the bike uphill.
If both of you are great cyclists that you criticized my riding skills, just first check your accident record! You have no idea that people in the cycling community trash-talk you also behind your back.
Many cyclist have been on accidents but none like criteria of accidents both of you had. Sorry to be blunt Helen Fong but it just show that you and Joanne's motive, is to show the world that you can shine but that it was hampered by an athlete like me :( I unfortunately cant help your problems.
I know after that, Joanne and Ingrid had attended the same HW ride. Joanne really didn't want to interact with Ingrid. Not because of me, or you, but because of her own impression of Ingrid and Joanne was aware Ingrid disliked her for having removed her from WAV. That day, Joanne, as well as others, thought her cycling was not safe to others. There was a gap in the paceline and Joanne not feeling comfortable behind Ingrid, went around Ingrid to close the gap. I have read posts by Ingrid in which she feels Joanne had slighted her in some way because of this and again referring to Joanne as a "B." I have heard from the ride leader (who is a bit of a blunt dude) that he thought Ingrid was not skilled in group riding and had told Ingrid to get cycling lessons to get better handling skills. I heard he told Ingrid she was not welcome to attend any rides he led as he felt she was a danger to others. That guy is very picky as to who he attends on his rides and can be quite candid about things. I don't think Joanne said anything to Ingrid that day. But, Ingrid's account that the others thought her pacelining skills were just fine is quite contrary to what others have said.
As to the hardcore stuff and Craig,
If there is anyone who is strange between us Helen Fong, it is you.
Not only that you were vindictive of me, you hated my guts and you hated the fact that in everything you attempted in your social life, I was way better. On top of that, I did not have to sell myself and please others.. My performance alone can handle the job.
Its unfortunate that no matter how hard you tried, you are not getting any better than me!
Im sorry too that Bill had not paid attention to you since the time you flirted with Bill (Dec 2011). Had I only known of your frustration, I would have gladly passed Bill to you..
But I can't force a guy to like you......
To me at the time, after Ingrid was no longer with WAV, I just thought Ingrid was a strange girl. I did not dislike her or have any grudge against her, I just thought she was unusual. I could not understand her. She astounded me as to how cocky she was of herself and how she constantly bragged about herself and how she belittled others in the things they did. And perhaps because I thought she was strange may be way I acted differently towards her. There was also a period of time where it seemed like you and Ingrid would break up and get back together. She would post negative things about you. So, that was a bit awkward. That also may have made me awkward around Ingrid.
I can't remember when and where exactly the hardcore thing started but I know there were numerous comments by Ingrid on facebook or meetup about being "hardcore." There was a feeling that whatever we did was not hardcore. She made it feel like mountaineering was the only true hardcore sport. And, I am sure mountaineering is hard core and she has probably accomplished some commendable things in mountaineering. I am not doubting that but I don't think it gives the right for someone to put down others that are not mountaineers. I think we got the feeling that none of us hardcore as compared to her. And so the comments and posts regarding Ingrid being "hardcore" started to emerge. I know some of the posts and comments by my friends were sometimes extreme and I tried to hide some of them.
I can't remember when and where exactly the hardcore thing started but I know there were numerous comments by Ingrid on facebook or meetup about being "hardcore." There was a feeling that whatever we did was not hardcore. She made it feel like mountaineering was the only true hardcore sport. And, I am sure mountaineering is hard core and she has probably accomplished some commendable things in mountaineering. I am not doubting that but I don't think it gives the right for someone to put down others that are not mountaineers. I think we got the feeling that none of us hardcore as compared to her. And so the comments and posts regarding Ingrid being "hardcore" started to emerge. I know some of the posts and comments by my friends were sometimes extreme and I tried to hide some of them.
Exactly right! For whatever comments I post, you would twist or invent that because you are so jealous of me. Please dont say you have Craig, have you been dating Craig since Nov 2011 ?
Review all the sequence of events.. You have given up pursuing Bill and that you have to pursue another man. And you dont get it as to why Bill keeps coming back to me when you are there waiting for him... I can understand your frustration Helen. But you should not take your anger to me, you should have take it to the guy himself.
Because Craig thought that his bullying of me would result that I would be kicked out of HW, well it was the opposite. Craig was reprimanded.
God is great you know. How you, Joanne, Craig and your cohorts ganged up on me and tried everything you can to have me kicked in every group but ended unsuccessful.
But, Ingrid's comments would just stir things up. There were HW meetups where she would attend and say how tough the ride was an interesting how no other women showed up. It felt like she was belittle women athletes for not doing the tough rides that she did. I know this did kind of anger a female HW rider (who's a racer).
There was the ride that you and the HW guys (including Craig) did up at Tahoe. There was that picture taken on top of Donner summit of the group of you guys. Ingrid commented on that picture something along the lines of you guys have been riding for sometime now, can't you do more hardcore rides. isn't 80 miles a little easy? As you know, many of those guys on that ride were racers and very strong riders. Many of those guys were a bit taken aback by Ingrid's comment. A couple of them had asked who the heck is Ingrid? To them, Craig included, a complete stranger, which they all can out ride, just belittled their 80 mile ride in the mountains. I know some of the hardcore comments resulted on that picture. And, I think someone said to Ingrid that HW is just a social bike club. If you want to be hardcore, go race.
Now, Craig had heard about Ingrid through me and some others. He had seen some of her comments/posts. To him, I don't he dislikes Ingrid. I think he finds her comments astounding and possibly ridiculous. I think he finds it odd that she brags so much and belittles cyclists so much yet she hasn't really accomplished anything in regards to cycling. When Ingrid started that discussion on HW regarding the Everest Challenge, I think she had implied "your Death Ride" was hardly anything or something like that. I believed others tried to tell her that the Everest Challenge is a really hard event. From my conversations with cyclists after that, I have learned that many in the cycling world know the event and its toughness and that very few are able to accomplish it. Ingrid had again boasted about herself. How she as a beginner runner, she ran a marathon with just two months training, at a speed faster than those training for two years. She brought up as a beginner cyclist, she rode the Auburn Century after just 2 weeks cycling. Etc. Repeatedly. I think Craig initially just made some comment about how obvious she was a beginner. Ingrid replied of course I am a beginner. I only consider advanced people who have done the Everest Challenge or finished the death ride in the top 5%. As a side note, the Death Ride is not a timed event nor a race so you cannot finish in the top 5% at the Death Ride and anyone who finishes 5 passes should not be considered a beginner rider and it kind of sounds like Ingrid just belittled 95% of those that do the Death Ride. And, I know Craig can be a bit blunt sometimes. And, I think he was just wanting to call Ingrid out on all her talk about her long list of things she's done. He knew that our friend Jeff would delete the post. I think he was mostly saying what others were thinking. I believe another friend of ours tried to say to Ingrid that it takes more than desire to accomplish certain things. I know she remembers it as him putting her down and criticizing her abilities. I think what he was criticizing was how the thread seemed to have turned to a post of a list of her "self accomplishments" and that he was trying to figure her out and that this was a social group, people don't want to hear about all the bragging about herself and all the talk about being hardcore. if you want to be hardcore, go race.
I didn't tell Craig to say any of those things. I didn't unleash Craig onto Ingrid as she may think I did. I wasn't even around him when he said those things. I got a text message from Joanne telling me that Craig is calling out Ingrid on a HW discussion. He wasn't trying to say she isn't able to accomplish things on the bike. It is just her constant bragging gets to be a bit much to take. And he probably did come off as a little mean but he said what he said. I see why he said what he did. But, I can't really say I am sorry for what he said.
Since then, Ingrid has posted various negative things about him and me. She has criticized that he is hardly an accomplished cyclist. He has not been bothered by Ingrid's negative comments of him. He says he never put himself out to be an accomplished cyclist. I think he's a pretty strong cyclist. He does okay when he races so I think that's why he doesn't consider himself that strong of cyclist. And, I think that's how it is in the cycling world. the hardcore cyclists are racers. otherwise, they are just social bike rides. Not really about who's hardcore.
It was not me who said that you were flirting with Bill. Helen Fong, it was Bill who told me that you were flirting with him and how he hated to see your "ugly" face. Of course Bill wouldn't say that in front of your face because Bill tried to portray a clean cut image... but its true.
Helen Fong - how many times Bill had cut your facebook friendship ? Not once but few times. That should be a clue to you. How many times Bill cut you off in Strava?
I could say a lot of what Bill said to other members, but I dont know these people and I can't be bothered. I dont make money out of it and certainly I would not waste my time on petty matters.
Unlike you Helen Fong, you are paid by taxpayers to supposed to be doing your job, but what do you do ? You complained about how you hated handling your clients. If you dont like your job, you should just quit. Remember you dont have to stay as a public servant if you dont like it, there are private firms that can offer jobs too.
As far as how it got back to me that Ingrid felt I was trying to steal her boyfriend or was jealous, she posted it a couple times. I had a feeling that she has always been a bit threatened by me and had gotten the impression that she might feel like I was after you. I became certain of it when I saw her post referring to me as the asian girl who was after bill or her boyfriend but he was not interested in her and so she slights me for it. i have seen her say that i tried to steal her boyfriend, never has she ever had to steal someone's boyfriend, what kind of woman does that. And, I saw my name get mentioned one time. I was tempted to say something to her and clear the record but I felt she is going to think whatever she thinks of me despite what I say so why bother.
I saw those posts just like I saw the post where she said my Clarksburg time was neither faster nor slow. How in not too long of a time, any runner can run that time and she has done better than that. And, what I felt was it was quite hypocritical that she said she has never in no way bad mouthed or nitpicked another athlete when in the very post she was bad mouthing me and nitpicking me. But, I just let it be.
Ingrid should understand that I not only saw all those posts but some of the FTR members saw those posts as well. I didn't say anything for awhile about my issues with Ingrid. I became aware later that FTR members had known that Ingrid had said those things about me. And, when Ingrid posted about Craig, where she posted his fb page as well as his HW profile page (a bit obsessive looking), another FTR member told me about it.
You can tell Ingrid I said there was no conspiracy by me and Joanne to have her ousted from FTR. Joanne hardly ever runs and really isn't much of an FTR member. I am not an organizer with FTR. I am just a member. I was just doing my own thing. Yes, when I saw Ingrid, I chose to not interact with her. I am not going to talk to someone who so clearly dislikes me and thinks (and says) bad things about me. I think other members did not feel comfortable interacting with Ingrid for fear that she would say negative things about them as she has done me. I did not really know what others in FTR thought about Ingrid. I kept to myself on a lot of things because you were an FTR member longer than me and a lot of people liked you. So, I wasn't going to go about talking about your girlfriend. I was just doing fine in FTR and had no issues with Ingrid within FTR as I hardly saw her. Then one day, two different members asked me to contact Diane about Ingrid. And, Ingrid had already been removed before I said anything to Diane.
You have explained some of Ingrid's side of things. This is my side of things. I am not saying I was perfect with how everything was handled. But, there was no conspiracy against Ingrid. You say she was just trying to fit in. Well, she needs to find a better way about it as her way about things has had an opposite effect. None of what has happened has to do with me being jealous or wanting you. I have been and am in a very happy relationship with Craig. Ingrid can believe it or not believe it.
You may be an attorney Helen but that does not mean that I am dumb. I studied law in UK. I end up here in the US to reunite with family....
Unlike you Helen Fong, I remained true to myself. I did not insist to be liked. For me, my performance counts and that's only what matters. I entered ultra because I see myself having the talent for it. I entered ultra because I see myself having a long term future of it.
I did not join groups to be trained. I was already trained before I joined any groups. I had knowledge on a lot of places. I was an expatriate for a long time and I travelled extensively in my 20s. I was training solo on purpose, because I prefer quality training.
Its evident from the above statements that you hold grudge against me and that you hated the fact that I shine in some ways...while you tried your best yet couldn't achieved what you wanted.
Well Helen Fong, my suggestion is if you really want to shine, all you gotta do is focused on yourself and forget about other athletes if they have advanced. You will be surprised that if you only did what I did, that is, to stay focus...you may probably, well maybe, on the same level as me.
Too bad Helen Fong, I could have let you passed me in Rio Del Lago 100, but I thought I dont want to suffer more so I persisted on my pace and I came so ahead of you. Wow - I did not realized that you were that behind me (almost 2 hours)... Why were you so slow on RDL 100 Helen? I thought you are supposed to be better than me ? Not only that, you had lots of crew and several pacers, while I only had two pacers.
I reiterate once again Helen Fong, trash-talking other athlete wont help your performance but being focus will. Trash-talking will back-stab you in the end. And dont forget - natural talent comes into play as well :)
As for endurance, which is the root of your jealousy towards me, I run far stronger and better than you. I conquered road cycling and triathlon in my 20s already. I run faster than major races you've participated. If you happen to remember, I was relatively new to running but I finished AR50 faster than you. Because of my achievement, you despised that and you hated that fact, that I am way stronger and much faster than you.
What really bothered you the most when it comes to endurance is that, I trained far less time than you but achieved greater feat. It took you more than 6 years to run an ultra (you have races dating back since 2007), while it took me only over a year. My first 50 miles had outstanding result and when running toe to toe with you in AR50, you were Not able to pass me. Because of all what I mentioned above, you hated me.
Friends of yours and mine, after asking them one time, what is it that you hated me about. Its funny that all of them responded one thing, that I am prettier and far more attractive than you. I dislike to hear that fact - but it does make sense a bit.
Furthermore, if you have no ill-will against me, there's no way you could write such twisted facts as per your original email. Have you heard me wrote an email about you? Its not my character to write some negative characterization of a person I hardly know about.
And for Joanne, how does Joanne got to know me. As far as I recall, I was never introduced to a name Joanne. This tell you something of the deep hatred by your cohorts towards me.
Or perhaps Helen Fong hated me because of these race results:
AR50 - 2013
Rio Del Lago - 2013
Now who would believe in your stories Helen Fong ? Now who is "stuck up" between us? The posted race results does tells a different story. The emails I received depicts you as "nothing but a jealous woman who couldn't get her favourite guy".
There is a saying Helen Fong, "dont trust what you can't see".
The Full Text of Helen's E-mail to Bill Clements
For most of the time I have known Ingrid, I have gotten the feeling she is threatened by me. I get the feeling that she is very insecure so she acts the way she does. I can see that because she is insecure about things, she probably has a way of getting false impressions about things. I can understand where Ingrid may feel I have conspired against her which is why I knew she would most likely blame me for what happened with FTR. WAV is connected with me. Joanne is connected to me. Craig is connected to me. And, FTR is connected to me. So, I can see why she would think I had something to do with all the "wrong" that has occurred to her.
But, I'll break it down to you and maybe you and Ingrid can understand how she has gotten a false impressions of things. . . .
But, I'll break it down to you and maybe you and Ingrid can understand how she has gotten a false impressions of things. . . .
With WAV, I tried to welcome her into the group. She threw in an email how you were "boyfriend bill" though I already knew you guys were a couple having seen you two openly making out after one of our speed workouts. She says I acted differently towards her after that email. After the email, we became facebook friends and I had added her to the WAV facebook group. She had asked me if I had wanted to participate in some sort of charity ride with her. I declined telling her I had already committed to another charity ride (the AIDS ride) as well as other cycling events so did not really have time to train for another event (I was set to get my California Triple Crown, ride three double centuries, the AIDs Ride, and the Death Ride). Declining to do the event with her had nothing to do with you, or any jealousy. I did add her to the WAV group page to help her find people who might be interested. And, from what I remember, there was a girl who was interested and I thought messages had been exchanged between Ingrid and the other member. I don't know if they ever rode together or what.
With WAV, it is a group I just happened to be handed to lead some time ago. I took it when it was nearly dying and have helped it grow. But, as you know, I am more of a runner than a cyclist. Like Diane with FTR, I generally do not need to do too much with WAV. It runs itself through my assistant organizers. Ingrid never attended any of the meetups I led and I don't think I had any personal interaction with her when she was in WAV. Not that I was avoiding her or ignoring her, I was just doing other things.
With WAV, it is a group I just happened to be handed to lead some time ago. I took it when it was nearly dying and have helped it grow. But, as you know, I am more of a runner than a cyclist. Like Diane with FTR, I generally do not need to do too much with WAV. It runs itself through my assistant organizers. Ingrid never attended any of the meetups I led and I don't think I had any personal interaction with her when she was in WAV. Not that I was avoiding her or ignoring her, I was just doing other things.
For the first ride that Ingrid attended with WAV, Ingrid had caused issues with the organizer of the ride prior to the ride. I was not at the ride but I have heard accounts of what happened. Before the ride, there were emails between Ingrid and the ride leader. The ride was a 50 mile hill ride. This was part of a hill ride series and they were quite popular with the WAV members at the time. The rides did have a cap on how many people could go. That was the ride leader's preference as she has a hard time when the group gets too large. I know Ingrid wanted to go on the ride but the ride had been capped and RSVP's closed and I think she was on the waitlist. Ingrid was told why the ride is capped. The rider leader had emailed another member in the same way she emailed Ingrid in that she was just making sure their skill level is up to par as it is 50 miles with hills. For the safety of everyone, she did not want someone to come and be in over their head. Some people just don't pay attention and this was 50 miles with hills so she contacted those that she did not know and wrote an emailing explaining her reasons and help direct them to other rides. For one girl she contacted, she replied thanking the ride leader and explained her skill level and opted to try a different ride that was recommended. With Ingrid, an email exchange occurred. Ingrid had said she'd been "cycling since she was a kid," listed a couple random MTB events, commented on how there aren't any cyclists around here that do long, hardcore, or altitude rides. She brought up how she is a mountaineer and she'd rather be doing that but since she can't, she has no choice but to ride. The email exchange had rubbed the ride leader the wrong way and Ingrid came off as very arrogant and it sounded like Ingrid would prefer do more "hardcore things" than to ride with us but had no choice but to do so.
The following day, Ingrid showed up to the ride with a flat pedal, mountain bike. And, late. The girls were just about ready to roll out is what I was told. I was not there. I was out running in Auburn that day. From what I have gathered, the ride leader talked to Ingrid and even though Ingrid was not on the attendance list, she gave her a route sheet and let her join. Though, she was a little concerned about Ingrid's ability to do the ride and Ingrid maybe saw that concern as her being stuck up or something. But, I think I was told they were surprised she showed up, when she wasn't on the attendance list, and on a MTB with flat pedals for a non-beginner road bike ride. The girls rolled out and in just a few miles, Ingrid had fallen behind the pack. Unfortunately, because she was not even close to riding at the pace posted, she got dropped. I think they didn't just abandon her but had talked to her about how she is not able to keep up with the group and asked if she think she'd be okay.
The following day, Ingrid showed up to the ride with a flat pedal, mountain bike. And, late. The girls were just about ready to roll out is what I was told. I was not there. I was out running in Auburn that day. From what I have gathered, the ride leader talked to Ingrid and even though Ingrid was not on the attendance list, she gave her a route sheet and let her join. Though, she was a little concerned about Ingrid's ability to do the ride and Ingrid maybe saw that concern as her being stuck up or something. But, I think I was told they were surprised she showed up, when she wasn't on the attendance list, and on a MTB with flat pedals for a non-beginner road bike ride. The girls rolled out and in just a few miles, Ingrid had fallen behind the pack. Unfortunately, because she was not even close to riding at the pace posted, she got dropped. I think they didn't just abandon her but had talked to her about how she is not able to keep up with the group and asked if she think she'd be okay.
After my run that day, I was informed about everything. I saw Ingrid post about her ride and make some negative comments about the members or ride leader. I felt bad that Ingrid got dropped on the ride but I also thought it was good for her as a humbling experience. I thought it would was good that after she did all her bragging, she got humbled by better riders. I figured whatever issues arose during that ride would have passed. But, I don't think Ingrid left a very good first impression with the WAV members.
After that day, Ingrid had RSVP'd to a few of Joanne's beginner evening rides. However, Ingrid no-showed to all of them. I believe one time was Ingrid getting the day confused. But, Joanne did not like all the no-shows and her impression of Ingrid did not improve. Ingrid had asked to change the time of a meetup and this annoyed Joanne since Ingrid was somehow she just didn't show up at meetups, why should she change the time for her.
On facebook, Ingrid came off very arrogant about things. She constantly boasted about her mountaineering experiences and how she is a better athlete than the rest of us because she is a mountaineer. And, great for what she has accomplished on the mountaineering side but in a cycling group, most really are not interested in hearing about mountaineering. There were numerous comments on the facebook group that rubbed people the wrong way. I believe a couple of her comments were deleted trying to keep the discussion focused on running, not mountaineering. After a bit, some members wanted her removed from WAV. Some members got fed up with her comments. Joanne thought Ingrid should be removed just on the no-showing alone (but we hadn't established our no show policy yet). Because she was your boyfriend, and you my friend, I didn't. But, it was awkward. I don't remember seeing too much of Ingrid during this time period but it is possible that I did start acting differently towards her then. And again, it did not have to do with you or jealousy. It had to do with the fact that she has become a source of tension in my WAV group. A group that was generally just a happy group of women who really support and encourage each other. Ingrid came off as not supportive nor encouraging, belittling others accomplishments or skills. I recall one post of her telling one member how her problem is she lacks fitness and she needs to go run on training hill. The member said she was not interested in running/hiking up in Auburn and Ingrid seemed a bit critical. That thread did not go well with many members. Ingrid was a person who did a lot of talk about herself but no one saw any backing to her talk. They saw quite the contrary in her abilities but they were not trying to belittle her for her lack of abilities but were frustrated that she had the never to belittle them. If Ingrid had acted more realistic to what her level in cycling was at the time rather than act as though she was better than everyone, the members may have reacted differently to her. And, for her to tell them what to do as if she is an expert on things turned a lot of people off. I know not too long after that there was another thread that Joanne started and Ingrid had written some mountaineering bragging comments again and Joanne removed Ingrid from the facebook page. Ingrid left the meetup group after that. I did feel bad about it and I probably should have said something to Ingrid as to why it happened. But, I figured it could just be and things could just settle back down in WAV.
After that day, Ingrid had RSVP'd to a few of Joanne's beginner evening rides. However, Ingrid no-showed to all of them. I believe one time was Ingrid getting the day confused. But, Joanne did not like all the no-shows and her impression of Ingrid did not improve. Ingrid had asked to change the time of a meetup and this annoyed Joanne since Ingrid was somehow she just didn't show up at meetups, why should she change the time for her.
On facebook, Ingrid came off very arrogant about things. She constantly boasted about her mountaineering experiences and how she is a better athlete than the rest of us because she is a mountaineer. And, great for what she has accomplished on the mountaineering side but in a cycling group, most really are not interested in hearing about mountaineering. There were numerous comments on the facebook group that rubbed people the wrong way. I believe a couple of her comments were deleted trying to keep the discussion focused on running, not mountaineering. After a bit, some members wanted her removed from WAV. Some members got fed up with her comments. Joanne thought Ingrid should be removed just on the no-showing alone (but we hadn't established our no show policy yet). Because she was your boyfriend, and you my friend, I didn't. But, it was awkward. I don't remember seeing too much of Ingrid during this time period but it is possible that I did start acting differently towards her then. And again, it did not have to do with you or jealousy. It had to do with the fact that she has become a source of tension in my WAV group. A group that was generally just a happy group of women who really support and encourage each other. Ingrid came off as not supportive nor encouraging, belittling others accomplishments or skills. I recall one post of her telling one member how her problem is she lacks fitness and she needs to go run on training hill. The member said she was not interested in running/hiking up in Auburn and Ingrid seemed a bit critical. That thread did not go well with many members. Ingrid was a person who did a lot of talk about herself but no one saw any backing to her talk. They saw quite the contrary in her abilities but they were not trying to belittle her for her lack of abilities but were frustrated that she had the never to belittle them. If Ingrid had acted more realistic to what her level in cycling was at the time rather than act as though she was better than everyone, the members may have reacted differently to her. And, for her to tell them what to do as if she is an expert on things turned a lot of people off. I know not too long after that there was another thread that Joanne started and Ingrid had written some mountaineering bragging comments again and Joanne removed Ingrid from the facebook page. Ingrid left the meetup group after that. I did feel bad about it and I probably should have said something to Ingrid as to why it happened. But, I figured it could just be and things could just settle back down in WAV.
After that, I have seen Ingrid call Joanne a "B" and other negative things. And, I saw a bit later Ingrid write a really negative post about my WAV group and the WeTri group, WeTri isn't really a group I am part of but there are many members in WAV that are part of WeTri. One of my assistant organizers had created that group. I have no idea what may have happened with Ingrid and WeTri. I have heard there were issues there. I have heard that the main organizer had talked to Ingrid about her comments or something. I don't know. That could all be rumors. I just know that after that, she said negative things about WAV and WeTri and referrred to women cyclists as "whinnies."
I know after that, Joanne and Ingrid had attended the same HW ride. Joanne really didn't want to interact with Ingrid. Not because of me, or you, but because of her own impression of Ingrid and Joanne was aware Ingrid disliked her for having removed her from WAV. That day, Joanne, as well as others, thought her cycling was not safe to others. There was a gap in the paceline and Joanne not feeling comfortable behind Ingrid, went around Ingrid to close the gap. I have read posts by Ingrid in which she feels Joanne had slighted her in some way because of this and again referring to Joanne as a "B." I have heard from the ride leader (who is a bit of a blunt dude) that he thought Ingrid was not skilled in group riding and had told Ingrid to get cycling lessons to get better handling skills. I heard he told Ingrid she was not welcome to attend any rides he led as he felt she was a danger to others. That guy is very picky as to who he attends on his rides and can be quite candid about things. I don't think Joanne said anything to Ingrid that day. But, Ingrid's account that the others thought her pacelining skills were just fine is quite contrary to what others have said.
As to the hardcore stuff and Craig,
To me at the time, after Ingrid was no longer with WAV, I just thought Ingrid was a strange girl. I did not dislike her or have any grudge against her, I just thought she was unusual. I could not understand her. She astounded me as to how cocky she was of herself and how she constantly bragged about herself and how she belittled others in the things they did. And perhaps because I thought she was strange may be way I acted differently towards her. There was also a period of time where it seemed like you and Ingrid would break up and get back together. She would post negative things about you. So, that was a bit awkward. That also may have made me awkward around Ingrid.
I can't remember when and where exactly the hardcore thing started but I know there were numerous comments by Ingrid on facebook or meetup about being "hardcore." There was a feeling that whatever we did was not hardcore. She made it feel like mountaineering was the only true hardcore sport. And, I am sure mountaineering is hard core and she has probably accomplished some commendable things in mountaineering. I am not doubting that but I don't think it gives the right for someone to put down others that are not mountaineers. I think we got the feeling that none of us hardcore as compared to her. And so the comments and posts regarding Ingrid being "hardcore" started to emerge. I know some of the posts and comments by my friends were sometimes extreme and I tried to hide some of them.
I can't remember when and where exactly the hardcore thing started but I know there were numerous comments by Ingrid on facebook or meetup about being "hardcore." There was a feeling that whatever we did was not hardcore. She made it feel like mountaineering was the only true hardcore sport. And, I am sure mountaineering is hard core and she has probably accomplished some commendable things in mountaineering. I am not doubting that but I don't think it gives the right for someone to put down others that are not mountaineers. I think we got the feeling that none of us hardcore as compared to her. And so the comments and posts regarding Ingrid being "hardcore" started to emerge. I know some of the posts and comments by my friends were sometimes extreme and I tried to hide some of them.
But, Ingrid's comments would just stir things up. There were HW meetups where she would attend and say how tough the ride was an interesting how no other women showed up. It felt like she was belittle women athletes for not doing the tough rides that she did. I know this did kind of anger a female HW rider (who's a racer).
There was the ride that you and the HW guys (including Craig) did up at Tahoe. There was that picture taken on top of Donner summit of the group of you guys. Ingrid commented on that picture something along the lines of you guys have been riding for sometime now, can't you do more hardcore rides. isn't 80 miles a little easy? As you know, many of those guys on that ride were racers and very strong riders. Many of those guys were a bit taken aback by Ingrid's comment. A couple of them had asked who the heck is Ingrid? To them, Craig included, a complete stranger, which they all can out ride, just belittled their 80 mile ride in the mountains. I know some of the hardcore comments resulted on that picture. And, I think someone said to Ingrid that HW is just a social bike club. If you want to be hardcore, go race.
Now, Craig had heard about Ingrid through me and some others. He had seen some of her comments/posts. To him, I don't he dislikes Ingrid. I think he finds her comments astounding and possibly ridiculous. I think he finds it odd that she brags so much and belittles cyclists so much yet she hasn't really accomplished anything in regards to cycling. When Ingrid started that discussion on HW regarding the Everest Challenge, I think she had implied "your Death Ride" was hardly anything or something like that. I believed others tried to tell her that the Everest Challenge is a really hard event. From my conversations with cyclists after that, I have learned that many in the cycling world know the event and its toughness and that very few are able to accomplish it. Ingrid had again boasted about herself. How she as a beginner runner, she ran a marathon with just two months training, at a speed faster than those training for two years. She brought up as a beginner cyclist, she rode the Auburn Century after just 2 weeks cycling. Etc. Repeatedly. I think Craig initially just made some comment about how obvious she was a beginner. Ingrid replied of course I am a beginner. I only consider advanced people who have done the Everest Challenge or finished the death ride in the top 5%. As a side note, the Death Ride is not a timed event nor a race so you cannot finish in the top 5% at the Death Ride and anyone who finishes 5 passes should not be considered a beginner rider and it kind of sounds like Ingrid just belittled 95% of those that do the Death Ride. And, I know Craig can be a bit blunt sometimes. And, I think he was just wanting to call Ingrid out on all her talk about her long list of things she's done. He knew that our friend Jeff would delete the post. I think he was mostly saying what others were thinking. I believe another friend of ours tried to say to Ingrid that it takes more than desire to accomplish certain things. I know she remembers it as him putting her down and criticizing her abilities. I think what he was criticizing was how the thread seemed to have turned to a post of a list of her "self accomplishments" and that he was trying to figure her out and that this was a social group, people don't want to hear about all the bragging about herself and all the talk about being hardcore. if you want to be hardcore, go race.
I didn't tell Craig to say any of those things. I didn't unleash Craig onto Ingrid as she may think I did. I wasn't even around him when he said those things. I got a text message from Joanne telling me that Craig is calling out Ingrid on a HW discussion. He wasn't trying to say she isn't able to accomplish things on the bike. It is just her constant bragging gets to be a bit much to take. And he probably did come off as a little mean but he said what he said. I see why he said what he did. But, I can't really say I am sorry for what he said.
Since then, Ingrid has posted various negative things about him and me. She has criticized that he is hardly an accomplished cyclist. He has not been bothered by Ingrid's negative comments of him. He says he never put himself out to be an accomplished cyclist. I think he's a pretty strong cyclist. He does okay when he races so I think that's why he doesn't consider himself that strong of cyclist. And, I think that's how it is in the cycling world. the hardcore cyclists are racers. otherwise, they are just social bike rides. Not really about who's hardcore.
As far as how it got back to me that Ingrid felt I was trying to steal her boyfriend or was jealous, she posted it a couple times. I had a feeling that she has always been a bit threatened by me and had gotten the impression that she might feel like I was after you. I became certain of it when I saw her post referring to me as the asian girl who was after bill or her boyfriend but he was not interested in her and so she slights me for it. i have seen her say that i tried to steal her boyfriend, never has she ever had to steal someone's boyfriend, what kind of woman does that. And, I saw my name get mentioned one time. I was tempted to say something to her and clear the record but I felt she is going to think whatever she thinks of me despite what I say so why bother.
I saw those posts just like I saw the post where she said my Clarksburg time was neither faster nor slow. How in not too long of a time, any runner can run that time and she has done better than that. And, what I felt was it was quite hypocritical that she said she has never in no way bad mouthed or nitpicked another athlete when in the very post she was bad mouthing me and nitpicking me. But, I just let it be.
Ingrid should understand that I not only saw all those posts but some of the FTR members saw those posts as well. I didn't say anything for awhile about my issues with Ingrid. I became aware later that FTR members had known that Ingrid had said those things about me. And, when Ingrid posted about Craig, where she posted his fb page as well as his HW profile page (a bit obsessive looking), another FTR member told me about it.
You can tell Ingrid I said there was no conspiracy by me and Joanne to have her ousted from FTR. Joanne hardly ever runs and really isn't much of an FTR member. I am not an organizer with FTR. I am just a member. I was just doing my own thing. Yes, when I saw Ingrid, I chose to not interact with her. I am not going to talk to someone who so clearly dislikes me and thinks (and says) bad things about me. I think other members did not feel comfortable interacting with Ingrid for fear that she would say negative things about them as she has done me. I did not really know what others in FTR thought about Ingrid. I kept to myself on a lot of things because you were an FTR member longer than me and a lot of people liked you. So, I wasn't going to go about talking about your girlfriend. I was just doing fine in FTR and had no issues with Ingrid within FTR as I hardly saw her. Then one day, two different members asked me to contact Diane about Ingrid. And, Ingrid had already been removed before I said anything to Diane.
You have explained some of Ingrid's side of things. This is my side of things. I am not saying I was perfect with how everything was handled. But, there was no conspiracy against Ingrid. You say she was just trying to fit in. Well, she needs to find a better way about it as her way about things has had an opposite effect. None of what has happened has to do with me being jealous or wanting you. I have been and am in a very happy relationship with Craig. Ingrid can believe it or not believe it.
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